Discussion:
[nznog] Survey Results for 2006
Simon Lyall
2005-05-03 21:05:17 UTC
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Results from the 2006 bit of the survey are below. I'll do the rest of the
survey over the next few days.
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NZNOG 06
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38 Forms were returned and 37 were counted towards the total. Not all questions
were answered by everybody. My comments are in [] brackets. I have tried to
get quotes that generally represent what most people are saying.

1. Are you likely to attend NZNOG 06.

Yes: 33
No: 2
Maybe: 2

2. Are you likely to attend Linux.conf.au in Dunedin at the end of Jan 06?

Yes: 19
No: 18

3. The following are venues/times that NZNOG might be held. Please rate
how likely your are to attend and which you would prefer.

[ Most people who expressed a preference said they could attend both. ]

(a) Jan/Feb: 7
(b) Mar/Apr: 9
Either: 16

"Yeah, but we've held great conferences in the past without ICANN. I just
think that the whole ICANN/Internetnz thing has the capability to hijack
NZNOG. "

"May not be able to go if it's a teaching time. "

"I'm OK for either, unless of course the cost is going to be much higher.
A bit higher would be OK if we're talking 50-80 more. "

"Very unlikely to attend, unless conf was over easter stat holidays. "

"Not if I have to pay. "

"Option B. It'd be easier to get to both Linux.conf.au & NZNOG if there is a
bit of a gap between them. "

"I would almost certainly attend either one, given that both the
conference and I would be in Wellington. I'd have a slight preference
for March/April due to (a) more chance of overseas networking folks
(better timing for network-related things, and fewer clashes), and (b)
making it easier to "catch up" on work immediately after Linux.Conf.au
in Dunedin. "

" If it is directly after linux.conf.au this would be good for getting
overseas visitors with Linux interests (more interesting to me than
networking people maybe), however it could be harder for me to get time off
to go to two events in a row. "

" Likely to attend either; more preference for option (b) on the basis
that I'm not going to attend most of the ICANN stuff, so more likely
to get interesting diverse speakers for an ICANN + NZNOG combo. "



4. Please comment on the following, how you feel about them and how important
these are to you.

# International Speakers

"Important, but we only need a 2 or 3, - or at least 1 a day. "

"Really important, it's the overseas speakers which many attendees need
to justify the expense to bill payers. "

"Good to have some, bad to have many. "

"This is a big plus - makes the *management* see value in the event. "

"It's very valuable to have 2-3 international speakers so that NZNOG
doesn't become isolated from what's happening in the outside world. "

"Important to give flavor and to justify attendance to boss. Perhaps only
2 or 3 needed. "
Low cost ( < $500 for programme + accommodation)
[ Many people said low cost was *very* important while a few were happy to
pay more. Perhaps a "professional" option could be offered ( with what? ) ]

"I'm not convinced cost is as much of a barrier as people claim - I think
that old saw of people struggling to get sign off on a $400 conference,
but getting a $2400 conference approved with no hassle is probably more
true than people realise. "

"Too cheap for the quality of speakers / programme "

"The cheaper it is, the more people I can send along. "

" Important. Expense = must justify to bean counters. Certainly individuals
are less likely to attend if its expensive. "

"Very, I can't afford 500 for a conference "

"Low costs means easy to get work to pay for it. "

"It's good. It encourages participation. Participation is good. "

" Important that it is affordable for people who have to pay their own way.
(IE, don't aim it only as a company-sponsored-attendance event) "

"Not fantastically important to cut the price to the bone. A good conference
for teachers can be several thousand dollars! "

" Personal I'd be happy with the program as long as it was sub-$1000 (easyish to
get work to pay for that). However it would be great to see the cost stay low
so people can pay for themselves if they want and to make it easy for the
small-mid size companies. "

"Important (helps to get a much bigger audience), but I don't think it's
the end of the world if it went over a little over $500. "

"I suspect attendance in Wellington will be lower simply due to a number
of people in Auckland being willing/able to drive to Hamilton, but not
willing/able to take the time to drive/fly to Wellington. (Adding in
flights to the "total cost" may also be valuable in planning.) "

"Very important to me. The low cost is the one of the main reasons why I
decided to attend. "

"Important. Low cost enables unfunded people to appear and for other to not
to have to go to high up the food chain to attend. "

"Yes - I pay for it myself. "

"Very important - $500 would be about my limit "






Types of attendees
------------------

[ Just about everybody was happy with the follow sort of people attending. ]

- Network Operators (people who type BGP commands)
- Admins of large websites
- Admins of Large mail servers
- Security Admins at large sites
- Large ISP technical personal
- Small ISP technical personal
- Network researchers
- Small Hosting providers
- Students
- Wireless Operators

"I would like to hear about large mail system scaling. "

"Am more interested if it is someone from a large site. "

" I'd also like to see Design Engineers as there are people who don't
necessarily type the commands into the 'live' systems, but they _design_
the system. "

[ Re Security Admins at large sites ] "Especially dealing with large customer
volumes and/or traffic volumes. (e.g. Managed firewalls doing 1Gb/s for
30,000 customers.) "

" Yes. Small hosting providers could be future big hosting providers one
day. "



[ Most people were happy with the following although some expressed
reservations. ]

- Network consultants

"as long as they're geeks and not suits"

- Programmers (Open source projects)

" Maybe, if they work on projects relevant to network operators "

- Government Policy people ( eg MOC, CCIP)

" In moderation. They seem to add little value and observe a hell of a lot. "

" Definitely would like to see more policy presence. Policy becomes law becomes
our implementation pain. "

- Vendor sponsored speakers

"If they agree to be 95% non-commercial "

"As long as they aren't just salesman fine by me."

"Great way of getting a speaker that would be otherwise hard to get"



The following were less popular.

- Equipment Vendor salesman

" I suspect allowing too many vendors along spoils the open nature of the
NZNOG conference, however the occasional bit is fine by me. "

" No, Spray them with mace at the door. We can go do vendor sex at every
other conference... "

- Script Kiddies

Ooh, this could be fun. We could all bring a baseball bat and have a
go. That would be GREAT!

[ NOTE: Similar to the above was said by several people. ]









Other things
------------

# Official event dinner

[ The majority of people felt this was very important ]

"This is critical, as it involves beer."
"Do it right or not at all"

# Curry Night

[ Many people rated this as more important than the official dinner while
others were uninterested. ]

"I prefer the socialising to the actual food. Personally I hate curries,
but in a case like this I'll put up with them to be able to meet the
people there. "

"Being the night before, many people must have been like myself and
unavailable... "

"Important, but showing the strain of size. "


# Joe and Dean

[ Popular with most people. ]

"NZNOG without Joe and Dean is like a fish without a bicycle!
Important - as a guideline for the types of people we need there "

" WTF? Is this NZ Network Idol? Puhhleeaazzee.. I mean they're good dudes
and stuff, but this is about peering and not hierarchy isn't it? "


# Wireless Access at event

[ About one third of people didn't care while the others all rated it as
vital. ]

"Required. I actually fixed stuff while I was in a conference."

# Nearness to the office.

[ Not important to most, see Wireless question above. ]

"The office is the laptop where the network connection terminates, isn't it? "

"Important that it isn't "


# Vendor Booths

[ Quite a few negative comments here. I think people would be happy to have a
few booths if they (a) Contributed to the bottom line of the conference
and (b) Were targeted at the audience and interesting. ]

"Prefer not to have them"

"A couple would be nice especially if they had cute gear and helped
subsidize events. "


# Breaks between talks

[ People thought these were good, no real consensus on how long however.
People liked the free soft drinks in 05 but weren't so hot on the finger food ]

"Smoker"

"Hmm - I think the current format works, but there needs to be a larger
'buffer' zone to be used for spillover at the end of interesting
presentations. Maybe if it could be structured so the presentations ran
through to 6:30pm ish? "

"Should be longish, talk is important."

"Definitely good. Half of NZNOG's value is social"

"It's very useful to have 10-15 minutes between talks to grab the speaker
and ask questions. At most pairs of talks run together. The
Linux.Conf.au pattern seems to work reasonably well. (45 minute talks,
15 minutes gap, talk often runs a little into the gab.) "

"A few more than '05 might be good "

"Keep them brief, a couple of sessions, then a break, etc.. I badly need a
good way to secure my laptop. "

"Not too long. While talk is good having 45 minute breaks all day is
overdoing it. Perhaps 20 minutes for morning and afternoon tea and an hour
for lunch. "


# Start and finish times each day.

[ Several people requested a slightly later start on Day 1 for those traveling.
In general people seemed happy with a 9-6 , with perhaps some less official
things going a little later. Starting before 9 was unpopular. ]

"9-5 is good. "

"I'd prefer a later start, since as we all know, we geeks tend to stay up late
each night "


# Wider programme or narrowly focused on Network operators.

[ Very mixed results here. Hard core network geeks said keep it narrow while
most other people wanted it a little wider. There appeared to be less objection
if "non core" talks were on tutorial or in a separate stream. ]

"I would enjoy a wider programme, but due to my work Network
design/operation/engineering/support would be more useful to my employer. "

"Focused on networks. I.E. not general Linux stuff."

"Wider/Diverse programme, but with a Network Operator thing "

"Wide programs are good if there are a couple of streams, otherwise you sit
through stuff that isn't interest to. "

"It occurred to me that it may make sense to (a) revive SAGE-NZ (a "NZ
branch" of the System Administrators Guide) and (b) have some sort of
system administrators stream.
Perhaps there could be a SAGE-NZ "miniconf" the day before/after? "

"Since network operators can also have other roles (mainly in small
companies), its nice to have the programme focused a bit wider than just
network operations. "


# Single or Multiple streams.

[ No real consensus ]

"I would prefer single streams - if we have enough content, run for more days."

"Multiple is good, but maybe just 2, ended up
with overlaps of 2 interesting topics last time "

"Single is best if the topics are related. If the two streams were quite
separate (ie. Administrative and Technical) streamed would be OK. "

"Single if possible but multiple might be an option. Perhaps if there were
multiple then people could pick beforehand what talks they were interested
in and we could schedule the clashes so a minimal number of people were
disappointed."


# Recording and/or broadcast of Events.

[ This was split into two. Almost everyone was in favour of recording and
making the event available later especially if there were multiple streams.
Several people suggested not broadcasting it however to encourage people to
tune up to the actual conference. ]

"Absolutely to both."

"great to go back to parts missed, or confirm something"

"If I can't get there in person I will *definitely* watch the streams,
either live or delayed. They're a great way to increase participation... "

"Makes it difficult to argue I have to go. :) "

"Recording everything definitely, especially if there are multiple streams.
Broadcast isn't as important since it encourages people to actually
attend. "

"a good thing, but need to be much better quality than '05. Also open standards
are good - I don't like having to install proprietary software. "


# Giveaways

[ People seemed to think these were okay to have but not very important.
especially they didn't seem to want (a) Junk or (b) Lots of money being spent
on them. ]


" Yes - especially if it involves beer. "

" Freebies rock. "

" To be honest I'd happily trade a lower conference fee for no giveaways,
or just a T-shirt. If they're sponsored bits then fine, but otherwise I
think the money is better spent on something else. "

" Not important to me "


# Misc

"Thinking back to '04, the best thing I felt about it was that the
residential nature of the con forced a bunch of people to communicate
who wouldn't otherwise do so (especially in person). So things that
aid that (curry night, distance from the office, breaks between talks,
common accommodation) seem to me important. "





5. Please rate on the following topics and make other comments if you like.

[

I have rated the topics as following. The first number is the average score
the topic received, the second is the number of people giving it a score of
4 or 5 while the 3rd number is the number giving it a score of 1 or 2.

Around 30 to 35 people voted each time.

I have chopped the list of topics into 3 groups (feel free to shuffle each
group up or down a topic or two). The first groups appears to have a lot of
people very interested and not many people disinterested.

The second group have less but still positive net interest. The 3rd group have
below average interest a a larger number of people uninterested.

I would guess we aim for large or multiple talks from the first group and
single, lightning, streamed or no talks on the others. All depends on offers
and speakers obviously.

Oh and if you don't know what LAMP is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAMP

]

VOIP : 4.3 27 0
Network Monitoring : 4.0 25 2
Peering : 4.0 23 2
Lightning talks : 3.9 23 3
Network Design Philosophy : 3.9 22 2
Network Measurement : 3.9 21 3
Internet Exchange Updates : 3.9 20 3
Security and Encryption : 3.8 21 2
IPV6 : 3.7 21 4


DDOS : 3.7 17 3
WAN Solutions / VPNs : 3.6 15 4
BGP and other routing protocols : 3.5 16 6
ENUM : 3.5 15 6
Fibre Optics : 3.3 12 8
Wireless : 3.3 10 4
Spam : 3.3 13 9
APNIC : 3.1 7 8
Mail Servers : 3.0 12 9
Virtual Servers (eg Xen, UML) : 3.0 11 10


MPLS : 2.9 11 13
Government Policy : 2.9 10 13
LDAP : 2.8 7 11
Multicast : 2.8 9 13
Web Server Administration : 2.7 7 15
Asset Management for Network Hardware : 2.6 9 15
UltraWideband : 2.6 9 15
LAMP : 2.6 6 12
INOC-DBA : 2.6 5 14
DNSSEC : 2.5 8 7
PGP Key Signing party : 2.5 8 20


Other Talk topics suggested:

DNS (general)
Clustering/Redundant Network Design
Latest Internet practices (shaping etc)

"things with cool factor
For example unique and clever solutions to difficult problems. I think
the conference should continue to aim not at a demographic (large ISP or
small ISP), but just encouraging people to think up really just, I dunno
*struggles trying not to use a buzz word* clever, outside the box solutions
to hard problems. "


5. Are you interested in giving a talk?

[ Around 1/3 the people who replied to the survey indicated interest in giving
a talk. Some of these will be approached. ]


6. Other stuff.

[ further quotes from people ]


Fix the catering.

- I thought the lightening talks were interesting, but maybe just a
couple of minutes too short to be cover a complete topic, maybe 10 mins
not 5 ?

- Would be nice to see the program go up a little earlier to allow staff
to plan to go (ie: not adding tutorials after people had booked)

I don't recall having any linux/unix specific material at NOG '05, which
is a fundamental part of most ISP networks in NZ. While it's a huge
topic I'd have liked to hear some linux/Unix/Solaris specific content
(not installfests)

Perhaps some discussions of the future of Internet in NZ, and some
predictions on where the Internet is heading based on current trends. I
believe you touched on a couple of these areas briefly, which was nice.

Not Hamilton, and a different time in the year.

While publishing the programme early is good perhaps not having the exact
timetable up will discourage managers from only assigning time for people
to go to specific events.

Perhaps an official wiki for people to post stuff or Blog aggregator.

Small prizes ( USB fobs) for each speaker to give away per talk
might encouraged people to ask good questions.

Some howto guides for using network tools like nagios would be cool.

A talk or two about how people see the Internet going.

People I'd like to see:
Somebody from Southern Cross talking about the cables.
Somebody from Weta talking about the server or storage farm.
Somebody from a large ISP talking about traffic shaping
People talking about large storage Area networks
People from some large sites ( Xtra, stuff, herald) talking about how
they look after the network, servers, site, etc.
Some practical VOIP stuff.

I like Tshirts better than those with collars.

If its in Wellington make some plan for flying people in and out of
Palmerston and bus transit between.

I have a hobbyist interest in community and non-profit networking; I
don't know how that subject could be integrated though.
Keith Davidson
2005-05-03 23:22:26 UTC
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Simon Lyall wrote:
<snip to someone's survey response>
Post by Simon Lyall
"Yeah, but we've held great conferences in the past without ICANN. I just
think that the whole ICANN/Internetnz thing has the capability to hijack
NZNOG. "
This is not the first time I have heard the suggestion, so for clarification
I will point out:

- The Wellington ICANN meeting is likely to be the only ICANN meeting in NZ
for the next decade

- InternetNZ has sponsored speakers and cash to NZNOG in the past 3 years

- InternetNZ has not attempted to influence NZNOG organisers into what to
spend our sponsorship on

- InternetNZ has the express desire to assist the NOG community to the
greatest extent possible, in achieving the NOG's aspirations, not
InternetNZ's.

- Read my lips - "No hijack".

The reason for our suggestion that the NZNOG might be held to coincide with
the Wellington ICANN meeting was purely to extend the opportunity to NZNOG
to be able to meet some of the absolute thought leaders of the Internet who
will be in NZ for ICANN, for example:

- Vint Cerf www.icann.org/biog/cerf.htm and www.worldcom.com/cerfsup
- Steve Crocker www.icann.org/biog/crocker.htm
I'd suggest we would not have an Internet at all if it hadn't been for the
above 2 individuals. Both are still code hackers...
- Bill Manning - very useful attendee at previous NZNOG's

I know some people say that ICANN is the political arena of the Internet,
which is dead true - but within that environment are the geeks who made it
work in the first place, as well as newer geeks who have great things
working on the Internet.

So I urge you all to please shake the mindset that there is some kind of
hidden agenda, or some desire by InternetNZ to hijack this event. Our
motives are purely to provide an opportunity for you all to participate in
sharing in the intellectual property that will be here in NZ anyway.

If NZNOG wants the event at a different timing, then that is a fair call.
But to try and undermine InternetNZ's offer by innuendo is grossly unfair.

Keith Davidson
President - InternetNZ
Juha Saarinen
2005-05-03 23:57:14 UTC
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Post by Keith Davidson
- Read my lips - "No hijack".
http://www.famoustexans.com/georgebush.htm
--
Juha
Joe Abley
2005-05-04 14:33:36 UTC
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Post by Keith Davidson
If NZNOG wants the event at a different timing, then that is a fair
call. But to try and undermine InternetNZ's offer by innuendo is
grossly unfair.
I am sure I am not the only one here who thinks InternetNZ has been
doing a good and worthy thing in supporting NZNOG meetings.

Helping to bring ICANN (and maybe APRICOT/APNIC) meetings to New
Zealand is an excellent way to give local currygoers access to those
meetings without having to fly to Asia, too.

I would most definitely like to see InternetNZ do more of this kind of
thing. This is all good.


Joe
Andy Linton
2005-05-04 19:22:24 UTC
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Post by Joe Abley
I am sure I am not the only one here who thinks InternetNZ has been
doing a good and worthy thing in supporting NZNOG meetings.
You're not the only one!
Simon Lyall
2005-05-11 08:34:53 UTC
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Post by Simon Lyall
Results from the 2006 bit of the survey are below. I'll do the rest of the
survey over the next few days.
So I guess that apart for the anti-Internetnz thing people are pretty okay
with the results?

So they are okayish with the conference at either time and we should aim
for talks on the topics listed?

Speak now or... :)
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Simon Lyall
2005-05-11 11:07:46 UTC
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Here is feedback from the 2005 conference. In many of the catagories
most people wrote "good" or "excellent" . I've kept most of the comments
to give people an idea of the feedback except for some duplications.

Once again some people dislike bits that others really enjoyed.
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Simon J. Lyall | Very Busy | Web: http://www.darkmere.gen.nz/
"To stay awake all night adds a day to your life" - Stilgar | eMT.


Attendance
----------

Did you attend NZNOG 05 ? :

Yes: 25
No: 11

Did you attend NZNOG 04 ? :

Yes: 17
No: 20

Did you attend earlier NZNOGs? :

Yes: 15
No: 21
a. what reasons didn't your attend?
* Small geek team, it was my turn to miss out.
* There was a conflicting conference in Rotorua (Moodle Moot)
* Family / personal / On Leave
* Late work commitiments
* Work wouldn't pay and didn't want to use up holidays.
* Bad timing (its the start of the school year) plus location.
* Tried to but spent a day and a half at Wgtn airport in fog :-(
* Cost/Location
b. What would have made you more likely to attend?
* Timing
* If it had been held in Auckland, and I'd been able to use company time to
attend.
* Different location (wlg would be ideal) and maybe a little later in the
year. Also, need information on location and costs about August/September
for budgetting purposes.
* Being held in Wellington * 3
* Location


NZNOG 05
--------
1. Did your employer pay for all or part of the costs? Did they give you
time to attend or did you have to take holidays?

Employer paid all costs and paid for the time to attend: 17
Self employed: 4
Employer paid most costs and paid for the time to attend: 2
Pay for own costs, Employer paid for time at conference: 2
Paid own way, took holidays off: 1
2. Please comment on the following, how you feel about them and how important
these are to you.
In general, good. Although the schedule can be a bit hectic. Sometimes
when you have a longer presentation which has good input from people in
the audience I would like to see it allowed to "run long", but
understandably that pushes everything back.

No huge complaints, seemed to go off without any significant hitches.

Need to remember to put Taxi numbers on the info sheets next year.

Was good, if a little on the expensive side considering - what a Waikato
student pays for 7 nights including 3 meals a day is probably only a
little more than what i payed for 2 nights with breakfast, and i was in
the "off-season".

Appeared to be well organised and executed. I never noticed any
flustered people or catastrophes.

Pretty good. I would have liked the programme to be out much earlier.
Far too hot. Air conditioning or fans needs to be provided. Next time
I'm probably going to ask for a hotel.

Not bad. Fairly basic, but really its just a bed and a shower in the morning...

Got what I paid for I guess (on campus shoe box). Handy, and the refore I was
happy enough. Relatively important to have something nearby and cheapish.

Reasonably priced accommodation is a big benefit and having this
accommodation "on site" is desirable as well.
Excellent, as per usual. Compliments to Lin.

Good, but clearly unable to handle our numbers. A little disappointed by this,
but I don't imagine this was all the organisers fault.

Mmm, curry good. Enjoyed the curry, was good talking to people too.
Actually, the curry was good for talking to people you don't normally
get to talk to.

Awesome social and networking opportunity, not necessarily crucial to
the success of the conference however. I'm sure it would happen even if
it wasn't officially organised.

Very good, not so important. I have reservations though about non-drinkers
subsidising vast quantities of alcohol. Perhaps the tab could have been split?
Good, although the bar tab needs to be bigger.
Outdoors was a bit odd. Not bad though.
Good, Free beer would have been nice? :)

Again, a good evening and excellent social opportunity.

Excellent. Food was good enough, bar tab sufficient, and company great.
The highlight of the conf.

Useful, possibly more important than the Wednesday night dinner in that
you can be fairly certain most people will turn up. But not vital. A
"Thursday Night Curry" style unofficial dinner would be an okay
substitute.
More ethernet would be nice, old laptops dont have wireless

Great. Easily accessible from pretty much everywhere.

Couldn't live without irc in nznog, also enables emergency support from
off-site

The Internet access was great, allowed me to get quite a bit of work done,
however it was not well published what the ssid etc was. Would be good to
see those details on information sheets.

Vital. Ideally both at the conference venue and the accomodation. I
probably couldn't be away for 2-3 days without some form of Internet
access (and GPRS probably wouldn't cut it). I suspect that's true for
most others. It doesn't have to be amazingly fast but it does have to
be possible to log in to things and fix them when they break.

Good in lecture theatre, needs to be more widely available in accomodation block
I think it should be in Tahiti or similar next time.

Well scheduled events, felt a little rushed for some talks though.

A broad range of topics and international speakers is important too.
Particularly in order to convince management that their is value in
attending the conference (ie. you're getting something that you couldn't
get in NZ any other time of the year).

Would have liked an extra socialising event. Maybe even an extra official
dinner (slightly less grand), as a ploy to get more socialising happening.

The morning and afternoon snacks were great.

Morning/Afternoon teas are useful for ensuring people stay around and
chat to each other, but I suspect everyone would cope without if it was
a deal breaker.

Very male dominated... Being female there werent too many other
females to socialise with.

Scheduled bus from Airport to accommodation should be provided

Shirt was poor quality, but that's a minor thing.

Cold drinks on hand were great.
3. The main presentations.
a. Can you list things in the programme or the conference that your
especially liked.

5 * Joe's peering talk,
4 * The peering game
4 * The Pacific.Net on Wireless projects and the real world issues
2 * Bill Woodcocks tail
Spam workshop.
BGP the movie was fascinating.
2 * Peering Panel
3 * Philip Hazel on Exim
Peering
Tutorial wise it would be Exim.
The Asia Pacific Peering Ecosystem
4 Short History of Peering in New Zealand
5 * Lightning Talks

The Bills.
5 * Bill Norton - APAC Peering Ecosystem
BGP The Movie
AMPNZ
APNIC


Talks focussing on global internet trends

The exim tutorial but i missed it due to fog! The peering talks were
very informative, the wand BSOD software.

Lightning talks were good, and would be happy to see them take a whole
morning with a tiny bit longer for each person.

Deans work on "internet background radiation" was interesting and I'm
keen to hear a followup talk on how he's going with that.

New technology and demonstration.. Random scribbles on the board from
presenters was always a big plus.

Joe's item on peering in NZ. Turned into a great discussion on the whole
history of the 'net in NZ, which should be written down somewhere more
useful before we all lose our minds.

10GB bankbone monitoring, that was just plain cool. :)

Really good speakers. Local content. Reasonably relaxed.

I found the peering presentations (jabley, woody, bill N) extremely
good. Also of good amusement was BGP: The Movie, while providing some
good insight into resource consumption.

The balance of practical talks, history, research and policy worked
reasonably well at NZNOG 2005. I'd like to see that sort of mix
preserved. I can't really identify any one part that was "best" out of
that -- any one of those to excess would be boring.

The lightening talks are a good idea, and should be done again.
b. Can you list things in the programme or the conference that your
especially disliked.
- Juniper/BGP session - initially advertised as BGP using Junipers, turned
into JunOS using (occasional) bgp examples. Not particularly useful to
me after all.

- Internet Safety Group talk is policy not technical - please avoid scope creep.
- Netsafe
- The Cybersafety thing

- The ultrawideband wasnt that exciting
- UWB presentation was lacking.
- Ultrawideband developments
- Ultra Wide Band Development
- The ultrawide band talk of 2005, while probably fairly relevant to
many attendees in terms of what is coming, etc, seemed not to manage to
hit the right tone to engage people. I think it's vital to drag
people, kicking and screaming if necessary, into some interest in policy
(APNIC, NZ, etc), but perhaps there's a way to do it that keeps people
interested in the topic. (eg, combined with a technical "why I should
care" talk.)
- Ultra wide band development.

- I found the Exim presentation, well, boring. It wasn't applicable to me
(I don't work in mail systems any longer; and I don't use Exim anyway)
so that is partially why.
- Philip Hazel's Exim stuff could be have been really interesting, and in
the end it was kinda average. It wasn't bad, just somewhat limited. I
know there was a tutorial on the thing as well.

- Might be nice to have more discussion/workshop time.

- The fact that so much of this was 'internet' as opposed to 'network'.
More generic networking topics would be nice...

- Not really, nice diverse range of topics, something for everyone

- The WAND updates/quick talks were too rushed. Some great material that
deserved a little more 'air time'. Perhaps even just 10 minutes each.

- Boring presenters

- Routing Protocols for multi-hop wireless

- Parallel talks (fortunately only one this conference) are a real pain,
as i dont want to miss anything. Please dont have any.

- Some talks could have been compressed into tighter blocks.

- The boring ipv6 diagnostic stuff.

- Rude/annoying comments to the speakers from the audience members

- I find network measurement boring.
c. Do you have any other comments about the programme or running of the
conference.
- Don't change too much - it works well!

- Tea break food was sub-par
- Snacks between talks wern't all that healthy.
- More beer, more curry.

- Might be worthwhile taking registrations of interest for situations
where two talks are running simultaneously. I gather only a half dozen
people went to Liz Butterfields presentation at NZNOG05...


- The official programme was released far too late. I had to take a
gamble that the programme would still be good because at the time i
payed my money it was still subject to change.


- Would have been happy for the conference to have had an extra day or
half-day in length.
- Perhaps a slightly later start would be nice for each day. I'd prefer to
start and finish slightly later myself.
- Would be nice if the conference could end more in the early afternoon
than the evening so people have more time to drive home in daylight.
(this might only be nessessary at a location like hamiltion where quite
a few people were driving home to auckland).

- How hot it was.

- PGP keysignings are useful. But possibly best combined with a short
"why I should care" talk (or lightening talk). They really need a
bit more organisation in advance than was the case

- Contents is good, although I feel there's some split between the kinda
systems vs network people, but I expect to do more networky/net facing
stuff, than pure systems.
Ian McDonald
2005-05-12 04:45:53 UTC
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Post by Simon Lyall
Joe's item on peering in NZ. Turned into a great discussion on the whole
history of the 'net in NZ, which should be written down somewhere more
useful before we all lose our minds.
As a reminder to people, this has been done and is at:

http://wlug.org.nz/NewZealandInternetHistory

Regards,

Ian

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